Random thoughts, gossip and general nonsense from Kuwait
أفكار ونميمة وترهات عشوائية من الكويت
Tuesday, February 01, 2005
العميد
بالإضافة إلى تسليم التلفزيون لبرامج الحكم والمواعظ، نجد أن بعض مقدمي هذه البرامج لهم الكثير من المواقف المثيرة للتساؤل، وبالأخص مقدم برنامج مكارم الأخلاق
القهر انه امس في التلفزيون في الاخبار قابلوا القطان و قاعد يتكلم حجي فاضي بس اللي فهمته من كلامه يقول انه المسلم حرام يقتل المسلم فهل يعني كلامه انه حلال يقتل الغير مسلم و بعدين طلع كتاب و قعد يمدح الكتاب و فوق هذا قال يجب ان يدرس هذا الكتاب في المدارس ليش ما يقابلون شخصية وطنية تتكلم عن الاحداث بواقعية مو يقابلون شخص يتكلم عن الدين لازم يبينون انه هذي الاشياء ارهاب و غلط من عدة نواحي اخلاقية و الدولة فيها قوانين مو من ناحية دينية فرضا واحد من المتدينين اللي قابلوهم في التلفزيون طلع فتوى بعد سنة قال هذي الشغلات مو غلط شنو راح يكون موقف الحكومة وقتها
Just in case no one is reading the last post's comment section I have a question which I'll restate here again:
"Hi Zaydoun, I've been reading all the comments here and there something which I don't understand, who are these people who were given nationality? I seem to recall that Kuwait has a hang up on granting Kuwaiti nationalities even to the 'Bedoun' people who have at least traditionally been living there? Please excuse my ignorance, I tried looking up the subject but always came up that it was Kuwaiti Islamic militants who carried out the attacks(obviously because they have a Kuwaiti jnssiyah) so can you please give me a briefing on this tajniss thingy ?" Thank you
highlander... the nationality issue is a very thorny subject here in Kuwait. While it's true that it isn't given very easily even to people who were born and worked and lived here all their lives - God only knows what's so special about it - the comments on this blog refer to the thousands of Bedouin/Saudi/Whatever who were literally moved en masse into Kuwait in the early 70s and given first class citizenships right away. The goal at the time was to distort the demographics of Kuwait and breed a populace that would be more "loyal" to the rulers, whatever that means. Well that "loyalty" has turned around and bit them in the ass!
Thanks Zaydoun, it's good that you explained that because I was imagining that nationality was given to some Hindis and Pakistanis, not to Arabs. I think that in the old times, many of these Beduins, Saudis etc..probably thought that it was there homeland too? Or was it just a purely political ploy? On the otherhand the Kuwaiti and Libyan society seem to have a lot in common, we can never forgive anyone who is 100% pure it seems. In Libya we still call those Libyans ( or their descendants) who having emigrated to more prosperous countries back in the days before oil was discovered and who later returned, by the derisive name of 3ae'dun, many were granted back their Libyan nationality but others not. Still if a a3e'dun asks you for marriage you would think twice. Otherwise Libya does not grant nationality to anyone, unless to a female spouse, on request and the procedure is quite lenghty. There has been exceptional cases of foreigners granted honorary nationality though ;). We here think that 3ae'dun Libyans are less loyal than the '100%' thing. I still can't figure how and why is this idea so prevalent. 3ae'dun = عائدون
Highlander... we don't have a عائدون issue here, but the rest of your comment pretty much sums up the the situation in Kuwait. Citizenships are easily given to female spouses (after a lengthy process as well), but God help the non-Kuwaiti husband of a Kuwaiti woman.
As for 100% loyalty, I think that is very hard - if not impossible - to measure in anyone
نزال
I couldn't open the page from Al-Qabas. What is it?
القهر انه امس في التلفزيون في الاخبار قابلوا القطان و قاعد يتكلم حجي فاضي بس اللي فهمته من كلامه يقول انه المسلم حرام يقتل المسلم فهل يعني كلامه انه حلال يقتل الغير مسلم
ReplyDeleteو بعدين طلع كتاب و قعد يمدح الكتاب و فوق هذا قال يجب ان يدرس هذا الكتاب في المدارس
ليش ما يقابلون شخصية وطنية تتكلم عن الاحداث بواقعية مو يقابلون شخص يتكلم عن الدين
لازم يبينون انه هذي الاشياء ارهاب و غلط من عدة نواحي اخلاقية و الدولة فيها قوانين مو من ناحية دينية فرضا واحد
من المتدينين اللي قابلوهم في التلفزيون طلع فتوى بعد سنة قال هذي الشغلات مو غلط شنو راح يكون موقف الحكومة وقتها
Memo to Mr. Jamal AlKandari
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. AlKandari, please remove ur head from 3athby's ass, and thank you.
aaaaaaaaaaakh! wallaaaa sa7 ilsaaanik yaaa د. حمد بن إبراهيم العثمان
ReplyDeleteashwa inna this is a person from their side exposing the corruption, deception, and lies that they keep throwing at us on a daily basis!
If you havent read the link in the post, PLEASE DO!
ومتى مداه يتخضرم عذبي؟ وشنو اللي خضرمه؟
ReplyDeleteJust in case no one is reading the last post's comment section I have a question which I'll restate here again:
ReplyDelete"Hi Zaydoun, I've been reading all the comments here and there something which I don't understand, who are these people who were given nationality? I seem to recall that Kuwait has a hang up on granting Kuwaiti nationalities even to the 'Bedoun' people who have at least traditionally been living there? Please excuse my ignorance, I tried looking up the subject but always came up that it was Kuwaiti Islamic militants who carried out the attacks(obviously because they have a Kuwaiti jnssiyah) so can you please give me a briefing on this tajniss thingy ?" Thank you
highlander... the nationality issue is a very thorny subject here in Kuwait. While it's true that it isn't given very easily even to people who were born and worked and lived here all their lives - God only knows what's so special about it - the comments on this blog refer to the thousands of Bedouin/Saudi/Whatever who were literally moved en masse into Kuwait in the early 70s and given first class citizenships right away. The goal at the time was to distort the demographics of Kuwait and breed a populace that would be more "loyal" to the rulers, whatever that means. Well that "loyalty" has turned around and bit them in the ass!
ReplyDeleteThanks Zaydoun, it's good that you explained that because I was imagining that nationality was given to some Hindis and Pakistanis, not to Arabs. I think that in the old times, many of these Beduins, Saudis etc..probably thought that it was there homeland too? Or was it just a purely political ploy? On the otherhand the Kuwaiti and Libyan society seem to have a lot in common, we can never forgive anyone who is 100% pure it seems. In Libya we still call those Libyans ( or their descendants) who having emigrated to more prosperous countries back in the days before oil was discovered and who later returned, by the derisive name of 3ae'dun, many were granted back their Libyan nationality but others not. Still if a a3e'dun asks you for marriage you would think twice. Otherwise Libya does not grant nationality to anyone, unless to a female spouse, on request and the procedure is quite lenghty. There has been exceptional cases of foreigners granted honorary nationality though ;).
ReplyDeleteWe here think that 3ae'dun Libyans are less loyal than the '100%' thing. I still can't figure how and why is this idea so prevalent.
3ae'dun = عائدون
Highlander... we don't have a عائدون issue here, but the rest of your comment pretty much sums up the the situation in Kuwait. Citizenships are easily given to female spouses (after a lengthy process as well), but God help the non-Kuwaiti husband of a Kuwaiti woman.
ReplyDeleteAs for 100% loyalty, I think that is very hard - if not impossible - to measure in anyone
نزال
I couldn't open the page from Al-Qabas. What is it?