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Dear Ms Brown
I am not sure if you're planning to comment on the extremely fiery subject of the cartoons in the Danish press but I would like to add some points that I believe are valuable to the debate. I apologize if I sound angry but that's because I sort of am. Most of the commentary, letters to editors and blogs fail to realize one important point. These pictures are not just blasphemous, they are RACIST. The defenders of the newspaper and the right to free speech fail to realize what a racist society Denmark really is. I am a liberal Kuwaiti woman who tends to crack the odd joke about Muslims but I was so offended by these cartoons because I know what kind of society produced them. I lived and worked in Denmark for 2 years and left last month, I had a high paying corporate job and I still didn't escape from the derogatory comments and the odd looks I get from my neighbours because I look Middle Eastern. I know how that society thinks. This is not multi-ethnic Britain, this is small farmer mentality, xenophobic Denmark. That image I had of chilled-out free society is so far from the truth. The reality is it resembles England in the 50's or Alabama in the 60's. Believe me I have had many conversations and heated debates about this with my more liberal minded Danish colleagues and we have come to the conclusion that we in the Arab world, while we don't agree with their way of life we respect them.. but they don't respect us AT ALL. It's as simple as that. I have lived and studied in Britain and I haven't met one member of any ethnic minority that wanted to get the hell out ( well maybe to escape the grey weather) as opposed to every single second generation Dane I met. The reason and I quote "we grew up here but we feel unwelcome. We can't get jobs etc..." When you ask the original Danes the answer is "they're not Danish enough", note that there's no denial.
I was the most educated person in my department if not the company but I didn't escape from the stereotyping. I get asked regularly how come you're not married off to your cousin? One time I had enough and I all I said was do you swing and watch porn every night? That's a Scandinavian stereotype. I found myself defending my ancient culture over and over again until I flipped one day and said pick up a damn book and read. What gets to me is the sweeping commentary on 1 billion people based on a few uneducated economic and political migrants that live amongst them, As if we're all the same, from Morocco to Indonesia.
Here are some examples, myself and a couple of friends from Kuwait decide to go to this average restaurant where everyone was white Danish except us. I can understand Danish and I hear this girl sitting next to us telling her friends to hide their bags from us, failing to realize that my friend's bag was probably more expensive than her entire wardrobe. The number of times my flashy colleagues who are used to the South of France are refused service because they are foreign. A doctor friend of mine, a Dane originally from Afghanistan was working the late shift and she wanted to treat a patient in ER but the woman freaked when she saw that she wasn't white. This is Denmark.
I actually read this headline in one of the papers: Muslim drivers are a risk to public safety during Ramadan. Copenhagen is the only city that is refusing to give permission for a mosque to be built, where as every other faith has its place of worship. I attempted to mix better by learning their useless language and because my accent is not quite right no one would give me the time of day. Imagine being in east London and having to speak cockney to get attention. The advice I got from friends was it's better to speak English if you're foreign then they think you're a tourist and not an immigrant. And then the queen declares last summer that immigrants must learn Danish if they wish to integrate. Would you?
There are clubs that officially declared they're not allowing people from "Norrebro" in. That's the multi ethnic boho area in Copenhagen. One of the few places that actually bothers opening on a Sunday and feed hungry drunk Danes on the weekends.
They have a serious problem with integration and racism, much like France with similar high rates of unemployment and crime. It's a very sensitive and heated debate over there. People are worried that right-wing parties are gaining ground. Even the current Danish prime minister won on an anti immigration card.
So I wonder why would a newspaper, at a time of heightened ethnic tension, serious integration issues, with right wing radios calling for the destruction of Muslims print such garbage?
Oh and I dare anyone try to criticize anything Danish in Denmark. I have never met such patriotic cry babies in my life. Why didn't anyone try to take a harder look at the society before going out of their way to defend the right of free speech? This is racist. How would the image of Martin Luther king in shackles on a slave ship go down with African Americans? Or the entire continent? I actually dared some people over there to do it. No one was up for it. Just like slavery is a painful episode in African American history so is the current state of affairs in the Muslim world. None of us like to be depicted as terrorists because the majority of us aren't. It's not funny.It is a sensitive time for any moderate Muslim trying to live normally in the West. I could have accepted this in Britain which despite what many people think is an extremely tolerant society but bigoted, narrow minded Denmark? Every society is racist to a certain degree but I remember comparing notes with my Asian British friends about Denmark and they were truly shocked. It is an unwelcoming, extremely racist society that still refers to second and third generation Danes as immigrants in the press, including the Jylland-Posten.
When I put this to Scandinavians in general the answer would be to ask me to look at our societies, but we never bragged about being tolerant and respectful of human rights. We are not the self-proclaimed bastions of free speech. It's truly horrible in the Middle East but at least it's in your face and not hypocritical.
After all this Denmark bashing I have one question for the thousands of outraged Muslims? America killed hundred of thousands of Muslims and you lose your head and withdraw ambassadors over a bunch of cartoons printed in a second rate paper in a small Nordic country with a population of 5 million?
That's the true outrage!
Zaydoun! you or writer said
ReplyDeleteAfter all this Denmark bashing I have one question for the thousands of outraged Muslims? America killed hundred of thousands of Muslims and you lose your head and withdraw ambassadors over a bunch of cartoons printed in a second rate paper in a small Nordic country with a population of 5 million?
That's the true outrage!
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Well USA bully does not "officially" hate the muslim faith. It does not "officially" like racism, in fact it hates it "officially".
They respect faith. Even the muslims that we abandoned held prisoners at Guananomo get better treatment than in muslim or arab jails.
Denmark is the second largest European country, by area. They have the largest container-ship company in the world "Maersk". That company has long term contract with US military. Such racist mentality close to USA is too dangerous for Muslims to leave un-checked.
Moody... its part of the letter, not my words. I dont know why those 2 lines won't go away.
ReplyDeleteAnyway... Denmark is only huge if you include Greenland. Otherwise it's small
In my opinion, a suicide bomber who blows up a wedding in a Muslim city (Amman in case everybody forgot) did 1000 times more harm to Islam than these stupid cartoons!
"a bunch of cartoons " ?!
ReplyDeletewish if it was as simple as those words seems !
mother courage... why isn't it that simple?
ReplyDeleteZaydoun
ReplyDeleteI understand you do not agree and that is fine. We are Muslim they are stupid arrogant Norsemen who lost a lot of oil to Norway through border demarcation, so they do not like any oil country, especially if it were Muslim.
BTW, too bad two lines went to waste since you could not delete them :P
poiwer
Are you with us or against us?? You should respect but not necessarily agree with the opinion of Nathim Al-Misbah. Do not link him to the hated terrorists that he does not support based on hearsay without proof.
There has been cases during the life of Prophet Muhammad (salla Allah 3alaihi wa Aalihi Wa Sallam) where people were killed for similar Blasphemy. However, the Danish newspaper did write that they were sorry. Many, unlike me initially, feel that is not an enough apology. However, the best opinion is that we should concentrate on Danes and try to remedy the situation from two fronts: those who support all legal actions against Danes, and those who can have more empathy for the Danes and try to solve the issue.
During the same time this is happening. AS Roma Serie A football club got hit with a punishment for what a very few of its fans did in expressing their opinion. I mean according to you it would be OK to show hate like these AS Romans did. Let?s have respect for our people and religion, even though some of us do not deserve it. (See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11100078/)
And, please SEE that the west has asked us to reconsider/change some of the Islamic curriculum we have. This is a two-way street.
Moody.. I meant the straight lines bordering the letter, not the actual words
ReplyDeletelogic & class artical ...she should be honerd .... am with her points all the way
ReplyDeleteIs there a direct link to the Time letter section/article?
ReplyDeleteSorry for the confusion... TIME has received the letter but hasn't published it yet. I suspect it will be massively edited if they do decide to publish
ReplyDeleteI don?t think any one disagrees on the tackiness and insulting nature of these cartoons, the problem is with our reaction as a Muslim world, we repeatedly succeed in publicizing those who tick us off and vastly introduce them to the world such as Indian Salman Rushdi and Afgani Nisreen. I think the conspiracy here is one for free advertisement, tick off these edgy Muslims and they will publicize your stuff all over the world and move you to the top of the list of whatever field you?re in..
ReplyDeleteA much better reaction, a more legal and elegant one can be maintained to introduce us and the religion properly to the world..
I am sure it will be and I am sure the letter itself was toned down.
ReplyDeleteIt is toned down, there is more you could have said.
ReplyDeleteNicely writter, Garga
ReplyDeleteIt's not about freedom of speech nor respecting religions anymore.. At this point, it's plain racism from both sides.
Looks like I missed all the fun ..
ReplyDeleteI have a question that might be stupid. Why are we Muslims angry over this? Okay, we have to be angry because it's so insulting. Ever heard the Jesus-Mary joke? 'Joe, I'm pregnent but I'm a vigrin, God did it', says Mary. Joseph says 'Okay, just make sure you tell him you have a headache next time he asks'. Making fun of Prophets and even of God himself is an OK issue with 'them', so it's not about *our* Prophet, really.
Even if it was, look at the typical Muslim image that Westerns have. What do they know about Islam? A bunch of sick bastards that chop innocent peoples' heads, and shout 'Allahu Akbar' as they do it, or recite Quran, etc. Westerns do not know about us as much as we know about them, since they're more advanced and all. Just like we don't know much about, say, Zimbabwi or however you spell it. All they know is that Muslims chop heads, oppress women (thanks to the latest bestselling books that mostly talk about women 'striving' and 'fighting' to wear high-heels) Oh, and speaking of which.. there's a pretty popular book that was a bestseller for a while in the US. It's called 'Lamb' by Christopher Moore, and do you know what the book talks about? Jesus Christ coming back to life and learning about life nowadays, rap music, 'hot chicks' and such stuff.
We should try to fix things in our 'Utopic' nation before getting pissed off and burning embassies and doing such arsed things to show our love to our prophet. Was just watching the news, syrian kids chanting something like 'rasool allah qodwatna' and the next thing you see is the flaming building of the danish embassy there. Khosh qodwa, el rasool (3alaih o alah el 9alat wil salam) madri meta sawwa shay chethi. Maskeen hal rasool elli kel yom we make his image even worse than it already is.
To all religious people, elli lawwi3aw chboodna bil boycotting wil wain-`3eeratkom-3ala-nabeekom bullshit, sakro 7loojkom welli y3afeekom, 3adlo eb roo7kum oo san3o nafskom, ba3dain ba6lo 7loojkom o 3a9bo kethir ma taboon
i love the debate stirred up here.A lot of you are the missing the main point about it being racist more than being anti muslim and I totally agree.An interesting point of view can also be found here: www.slate.com/id/2135499/
ReplyDeleteits a little harsh but basically makes complete sense.
rus_girl
ReplyDeleteYou practically confirmed everything in the letter.
Thank you
Very interesting letter and gives a whole new perspective to the present crisis.
ReplyDeleteShe said He Said... "and talk about making a mountain out of a molehill, eh?!"
ReplyDeleteTo my mind, there's definitely a blurring of focus here : shouldn't we be more upset, in this country, with BNP setting up shop in Dar Al Awadhi(hope you are listenin' Nick Griffens) than with some abstractionism in friggin Denmark?
:)
Sorry, my Danish imprudence spake not I!
Calimoon
ReplyDeleteIf you read the letter carefully, you will see that the writer makes no claims that we are any better. She just points out that the image of "tolerance" that the Danes boast about is apparently far from the truth.
I'll repeat the quote here
"When I put this to Scandinavians in general the answer would be to ask me to look at our societies, but we never bragged about being tolerant and respectful of human rights. We are not the self-proclaimed bastions of free speech. It's truly horrible in the Middle East but at least it's in your face and not hypocritical"
Otherwise, you're right... we have a lot to answer for
دعوة الى المحاولة الى اطفاء الازمة وانشاء أو تفعيل جمعية اصدقاء الدنمارك المسلمين
ReplyDeleteياجماعة اتمنى ان يهرب الدنماركيون وغيرهم من غضب المسلمين الذي له معاذيره ويتجهوا الى اصدقاءهم المسلمون المحبين للرسول
هذه الفرصة للانتفاع من الازمة بدلا ان ينتفع منها اليهود. والملاحظ ان اليهود متضايقين من قوة ردة فعل المسلمين
شرايكم ننشئ الجمعية حتى نغنم الفرصة وينتفع المسلمين بدل ان تزيد دائرة اعداءهم
moody
ReplyDeleteنيتك صافية لكن حرق السفارات قد سبب جرحاً كبيراً من صعب أن يلتئم
poiwer.. I'll tell you who cares. The whole world who watched the burnings on TV and "concluded" that Muslims are bloodthirsty lunatics!
ReplyDeleteGood post. Hope you don't mind I took the letter and reposted it on somewhere else.
ReplyDeleteAnd so finally, Ms Samia D. is out of the bag, eh?
ReplyDeletePreviously, I didn't have the balls to ask but now that I think I do, I should like to ask someone anyone if they would please care to explain to me (in a nut-shell) the difference between that freedom of expression denied radical Muslim clerics in the West and the one being peppered on white European cartoonists; living in a same society as them?
This article is so much on the spot that it hurts! I?ve lived in Denmark for 19 years ? I?m not a Muslim, I come from another EU country (now how much ?closer to them? can you get) and I thought and spoke every word in this article myself. Mind you, it?s not just Muslims who are ?less developed than the Danes?, it?s more or less everyone. I have NEVER heard the Danes express any interest about other nationalities but themselves ? that kind of curiosity you encounter when you chat to people from other countries ? banalities perhaps, but that?s what you do, you ask questions, because you?re curious about how other people live their everyday lives. Not the Danes, they truly have enough in themselves. The only thing that is ever being said about other countries is negative, or at best sarcastic.
ReplyDeleteNow obviously there is a number of people who are extremely sweet and polite in this country (as everywhere), but this silent group is getting more and more invisible. And I truly don?t understand that statements from members of the Danish parliament such as :?Muslims are like cancer cells? can go unnoticed by the ordinary people ? shouldn?t they be chocked one might ask.
Doudou Di?ne from the UN group on Human rights and racism has just produced a report on Denmark that pointed out their attitude towards minorities ? and do you know what the Danish response was? ?Someone from Senegal is not going to tell us what to do?. I guess this sums it all up.
Thanks for this excellent article, we need more of this kind.
Best regards,
Martina